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		<title>By: More on plagiarism and copyright &#124; life in the garden of eden.</title>
		<link>http://www.gardenofeden.net/eve/2008/07/31/plagiarism/comment-page-1#comment-544</link>
		<dc:creator>More on plagiarism and copyright &#124; life in the garden of eden.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 12:31:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] am happy to see that Dragon’s Mark has come up with the following policy on plagiarism: If you go here: [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] am happy to see that Dragon’s Mark has come up with the following policy on plagiarism: If you go here: [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Free publicity? No thanks! &#124; life in the garden of eden.</title>
		<link>http://www.gardenofeden.net/eve/2008/07/31/plagiarism/comment-page-1#comment-535</link>
		<dc:creator>Free publicity? No thanks! &#124; life in the garden of eden.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 08:05:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Plagiarism, the discussion got kind of side tracked on the issue of using copyrighted images as forum avatars [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Plagiarism, the discussion got kind of side tracked on the issue of using copyrighted images as forum avatars [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Lilithiel</title>
		<link>http://www.gardenofeden.net/eve/2008/07/31/plagiarism/comment-page-1#comment-524</link>
		<dc:creator>Lilithiel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 13:34:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On avatars as promotion -- Some studios and companies release icon/avatar sets with familiar images for forum use, and there are certainly lots of images specifically made available as free by the artists/photographers with linkback on deviantart, are you talking about those sort of situations? 

Otherwise, I think most artists allow it because they don&#039;t know about it. :P  The ones that want that kind of promotion usually say &quot;it&#039;s okay to use this image for X.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On avatars as promotion &#8212; Some studios and companies release icon/avatar sets with familiar images for forum use, and there are certainly lots of images specifically made available as free by the artists/photographers with linkback on deviantart, are you talking about those sort of situations? </p>
<p>Otherwise, I think most artists allow it because they don&#8217;t know about it. <img src='http://www.gardenofeden.net/eve/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' />   The ones that want that kind of promotion usually say &#8220;it&#8217;s okay to use this image for X.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Eve</title>
		<link>http://www.gardenofeden.net/eve/2008/07/31/plagiarism/comment-page-1#comment-523</link>
		<dc:creator>Eve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 12:58:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think artists consider it promotion when their images are used in internet avatars.  I think it&#039;s &quot;allowed&quot; only because they don&#039;t know about it.  It&#039;s still a copyright violation -- unless the image is public domain.

It&#039;s up to the artist to decide if he/she wants the &quot;promotion.&quot;  From what I have seen, when artists find out someone has been using their images without permission or attribution, they&#039;re livid.   

Federal courts have noted that &quot;misappropriation of personality,&quot; a tort, is any use of a celebrity&#039;s image or likeness &quot;for the value associated with it and not in an incidental manner or for a newsworthy purpose.&quot;   Celebrities have something called right of publicity to control how their name, image and likeness are used.  

Even if you don&#039;t get caught. . . it&#039;s still wrong.

It&#039;s only recently (2007) that Lucas has endorsed fan movies based on fan fiction.  Before then he was understandably stern about protecting his intellectual property.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think artists consider it promotion when their images are used in internet avatars.  I think it&#8217;s &#8220;allowed&#8221; only because they don&#8217;t know about it.  It&#8217;s still a copyright violation &#8212; unless the image is public domain.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s up to the artist to decide if he/she wants the &#8220;promotion.&#8221;  From what I have seen, when artists find out someone has been using their images without permission or attribution, they&#8217;re livid.   </p>
<p>Federal courts have noted that &#8220;misappropriation of personality,&#8221; a tort, is any use of a celebrity&#8217;s image or likeness &#8220;for the value associated with it and not in an incidental manner or for a newsworthy purpose.&#8221;   Celebrities have something called right of publicity to control how their name, image and likeness are used.  </p>
<p>Even if you don&#8217;t get caught. . . it&#8217;s still wrong.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s only recently (2007) that Lucas has endorsed fan movies based on fan fiction.  Before then he was understandably stern about protecting his intellectual property.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://www.gardenofeden.net/eve/2008/07/31/plagiarism/comment-page-1#comment-522</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 12:12:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was waaaaay too tempted to post on one of the LJ sites asking the very question about the groups apparent standards when it comes to breaching copyright with every fanfic they write, and using copyright images for avatars... but... since the reason their accounts on DM were removed was cause they were only made to &#039;stir the pot&#039;, I didn&#039;t think that would a smart thing to do.

Maybe the whole avatar thing is for images as fanfic is to the written word? Yes, by the definition of it, it&#039;s breach of copyright - but most &quot;artists&quot; allow because it in the end helps promote them?

I&#039;m talking the major players here, movie studios/actors, gaming companies, comics, etc. 

I don&#039;t know if it&#039;s 100% true, but I did read on one site about how Lucas Arts is fine with fan-movies, but not so fine with fan-fiction. Not sure why there would be a distinction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was waaaaay too tempted to post on one of the LJ sites asking the very question about the groups apparent standards when it comes to breaching copyright with every fanfic they write, and using copyright images for avatars&#8230; but&#8230; since the reason their accounts on DM were removed was cause they were only made to &#8217;stir the pot&#8217;, I didn&#8217;t think that would a smart thing to do.</p>
<p>Maybe the whole avatar thing is for images as fanfic is to the written word? Yes, by the definition of it, it&#8217;s breach of copyright &#8211; but most &#8220;artists&#8221; allow because it in the end helps promote them?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m talking the major players here, movie studios/actors, gaming companies, comics, etc. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if it&#8217;s 100% true, but I did read on one site about how Lucas Arts is fine with fan-movies, but not so fine with fan-fiction. Not sure why there would be a distinction.</p>
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		<title>By: Eve</title>
		<link>http://www.gardenofeden.net/eve/2008/07/31/plagiarism/comment-page-1#comment-521</link>
		<dc:creator>Eve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 02:51:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sylvia -&gt; Let me know who the actor is and I&#039;ll try to find a legitimate image -- or see if I can use those photos to come up with an original image for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sylvia -> Let me know who the actor is and I&#8217;ll try to find a legitimate image &#8212; or see if I can use those photos to come up with an original image for you.</p>
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		<title>By: Eve</title>
		<link>http://www.gardenofeden.net/eve/2008/07/31/plagiarism/comment-page-1#comment-520</link>
		<dc:creator>Eve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 02:39:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You did get it wrong.  I know we&#039;ve talked about this before, but you can&#039;t copyright a concept. You can only copyright a particular expression of a concept.  Specific names and titles can be protected by trademark.

The link for &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.chillingeffects.org/fanfic/faq.cgi#QID222&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;FAQ about Fan Fiction&lt;/a&gt; should be particularly helpful for you to understand trademark and copyright issues as they apply to fan fiction.  If you have any questions, I strongly suggest you read that first.

Incidentally, if I wanted to write up some in-game RP involving my original character played in the MMORPG Star Wars Galaxies, that writing would completely and exclusively belong to SOE (and LucasArts too, probably) under the terms of their End User License Agreement.  See Paragraph 8 of the &lt;a href=&quot;http://starwarsgalaxies.station.sony.com/en_US/players/content.vm?page=Policies%20Eula&amp;resource=tos rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;SWG EULA&lt;/a&gt;.

I hadn&#039;t planned on using any canon characters or settings (or even phrases) in my writing about Alysia, although I understand LucasArts is fairly lenient about fan creations.  Given that Alysia Skye has never been played in SWG, it&#039;s kind of a non-issue, don&#039;t you think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You did get it wrong.  I know we&#8217;ve talked about this before, but you can&#8217;t copyright a concept. You can only copyright a particular expression of a concept.  Specific names and titles can be protected by trademark.</p>
<p>The link for <a href="http://www.chillingeffects.org/fanfic/faq.cgi#QID222" rel="nofollow">FAQ about Fan Fiction</a> should be particularly helpful for you to understand trademark and copyright issues as they apply to fan fiction.  If you have any questions, I strongly suggest you read that first.</p>
<p>Incidentally, if I wanted to write up some in-game RP involving my original character played in the MMORPG Star Wars Galaxies, that writing would completely and exclusively belong to SOE (and LucasArts too, probably) under the terms of their End User License Agreement.  See Paragraph 8 of the <a href="http://starwarsgalaxies.station.sony.com/en_US/players/content.vm?page=Policies%20Eula&#038;resource=tos rel="nofollow">SWG EULA</a>.</p>
<p>I hadn&#8217;t planned on using any canon characters or settings (or even phrases) in my writing about Alysia, although I understand LucasArts is fairly lenient about fan creations.  Given that Alysia Skye has never been played in SWG, it&#8217;s kind of a non-issue, don&#8217;t you think?</p>
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		<title>By: Lilithiel</title>
		<link>http://www.gardenofeden.net/eve/2008/07/31/plagiarism/comment-page-1#comment-519</link>
		<dc:creator>Lilithiel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 01:28:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You should probably read the other blog entry on the lightsaber thing if you somehow missed it and the commentary about Rhydin versus Rhilshen. :P

With that concern, do you believe that people roleplaying a non-canon character in an online SWD20 campaign are somehow &quot;handing the reigns of their characters over to Lucas&quot; by describing their characters using laser swords? 

Or that people roleplaying a random drow are handing the reigns of their character to WotC or whoever holds those rights because they&#039;re using the word drow for a dark skinned subterranean elf?

How about if you roleplay or write that a character is drinking a Coke or wearing clothing from The Gap? Are you &quot;handing the reigns&quot; over to the respective owners of those trademarks?

I&#039;m not sure it works that way, but if anyone&#039;s got the time to find out, it&#039;s probably you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You should probably read the other blog entry on the lightsaber thing if you somehow missed it and the commentary about Rhydin versus Rhilshen. <img src='http://www.gardenofeden.net/eve/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>With that concern, do you believe that people roleplaying a non-canon character in an online SWD20 campaign are somehow &#8220;handing the reigns of their characters over to Lucas&#8221; by describing their characters using laser swords? </p>
<p>Or that people roleplaying a random drow are handing the reigns of their character to WotC or whoever holds those rights because they&#8217;re using the word drow for a dark skinned subterranean elf?</p>
<p>How about if you roleplay or write that a character is drinking a Coke or wearing clothing from The Gap? Are you &#8220;handing the reigns&#8221; over to the respective owners of those trademarks?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure it works that way, but if anyone&#8217;s got the time to find out, it&#8217;s probably you.</p>
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		<title>By: leoshades</title>
		<link>http://www.gardenofeden.net/eve/2008/07/31/plagiarism/comment-page-1#comment-518</link>
		<dc:creator>leoshades</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 00:05:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmn, if that part about fanfics actually belonging to the actual copyright holder is correct (and I certainly have no expertise to disagree).  Would that mean by having Alysia Skye run around with lightsabers and becoming a Jedi Knight/Sith, you would be technically handing the reins of your character over to Lucas (or LucasArts, or whatever)?  

That doesn&#039;t seem like it would be the case, but the idea occurred to me while reading that part.  And not that they would bother to do anything about it even if it was true...

I probably got it wrong in some way, I usually do (especially with legal stuff)...



P.S. Of course, I could just have asked when you got home, but I would have probably forgotten...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmn, if that part about fanfics actually belonging to the actual copyright holder is correct (and I certainly have no expertise to disagree).  Would that mean by having Alysia Skye run around with lightsabers and becoming a Jedi Knight/Sith, you would be technically handing the reins of your character over to Lucas (or LucasArts, or whatever)?  </p>
<p>That doesn&#8217;t seem like it would be the case, but the idea occurred to me while reading that part.  And not that they would bother to do anything about it even if it was true&#8230;</p>
<p>I probably got it wrong in some way, I usually do (especially with legal stuff)&#8230;</p>
<p>P.S. Of course, I could just have asked when you got home, but I would have probably forgotten&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: elf_fu</title>
		<link>http://www.gardenofeden.net/eve/2008/07/31/plagiarism/comment-page-1#comment-517</link>
		<dc:creator>elf_fu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:05:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do my best to search for royalty free--free to use stock photography now if I must use a picture. And when I can&#039;t find one, I just don&#039;t. 

However, I used to use any old picture I found from a search and doctor it if I had to or slap it up. I wouldn&#039;t bother to credit, attribute or any of that sort. 

It shames me, now that I have a tablet and have started to draw again. I wish that more people knew about royalty free stock (and places such as deviant art offer some good free use no restriction stock of models and objects) and I wish &lt;i&gt;I&lt;/i&gt; had known about it years ago. :3

So to make a long rambling ramble short--I sympathize and understand what Sylvia is saying because I have been there, but the artist in me cringes now every time I see it. 

As for the plagiarism, my confusion on this matter is well known and I agree with what you&#039;ve posted, as well as what a few others have posted at DM about the issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do my best to search for royalty free&#8211;free to use stock photography now if I must use a picture. And when I can&#8217;t find one, I just don&#8217;t. </p>
<p>However, I used to use any old picture I found from a search and doctor it if I had to or slap it up. I wouldn&#8217;t bother to credit, attribute or any of that sort. </p>
<p>It shames me, now that I have a tablet and have started to draw again. I wish that more people knew about royalty free stock (and places such as deviant art offer some good free use no restriction stock of models and objects) and I wish <i>I</i> had known about it years ago. :3</p>
<p>So to make a long rambling ramble short&#8211;I sympathize and understand what Sylvia is saying because I have been there, but the artist in me cringes now every time I see it. </p>
<p>As for the plagiarism, my confusion on this matter is well known and I agree with what you&#8217;ve posted, as well as what a few others have posted at DM about the issue.</p>
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